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Red News
29-09-2014, 01:03 PM
Phil Jones back for the Everton game?
so claim the Telegraph

mattweeden
29-09-2014, 02:11 PM
20 minutes and then will start limping.

pringlm
29-09-2014, 04:59 PM
Is Blackett?? Did he just get a one game ban for his red at Leicester??

Esquilax
29-09-2014, 05:15 PM
Is Blackett?? Did he just get a one game ban for his red at Leicester??

Should be just a one game ban, it wasn't "violent conduct" unlike Rooney.

I'd go with Jones and Rojo myself though, if Jones is available. That's not to say I haven't been happy enough with Blackett.

Keano's Magic Hat
29-09-2014, 05:17 PM
Should be just a one game ban, it wasn't "violent conduct" unlike Rooney.

I'd go with Jones and Rojo myself though, if Jones is available. That's not to say I haven't been happy enough with Blackett.

jones and rojo look harder, thats what we need right now

Esquilax
29-09-2014, 05:25 PM
jones and rojo look harder, thats what we need right now

Agreed. A bit of fucking steel.

Red News
29-09-2014, 07:00 PM
David De Gea - we will cope without Wayne Rooney


"Of course he's a really important player for us and he's the captain but we have other players ready to play these games. We have a very important game on Sunday. We won very important points against West Ham with 10 players in a difficult match and if we win against Everton we'll be in a good position in the table. Fletch is the next captain and I think he will be a great captain. Of course it was a red card but Wayne Rooney is a top player and I think he has to keep going."

Red News
29-09-2014, 07:00 PM
Agreed. A bit of fucking steel.

a first that Phil Jones has been compared to steel! How about plywood?

steviecoppellonthewing
29-09-2014, 08:16 PM
Balsa wood (a rotten piece)

Jasper
29-09-2014, 08:45 PM
I think we'll stuff these.

We owe everton one.

Rooney being out could be a positive too. He rarely plays well against the scouse clubs nowadays.

mattweeden
29-09-2014, 08:57 PM
I think we'll stuff these. We owe everton one. Rooney being out could be a positive too. He rarely plays well against the scouse clubs nowadays. Have quite a dislike for them at the moment. Hope we batter them

Finno63
29-09-2014, 10:26 PM
Have quite a dislike for them at the moment. Hope we batter them

Yeah Matt,I know what you mean. Their fans were crying when Moyes decided to leave yet after a game or two under Martinez, they were slagging Moyes off, belittling all the hard work he had put in for them and totally ridiculing what he was trying (& failing,granted!) to do for us.
In saying all that, I was delighted when Jagielka's shot flew in last Saturday!!

Bern
29-09-2014, 10:38 PM
They're defence is leakier than ours! Hopefully we can put together a good run now and chalk up a few more points .

greghura
30-09-2014, 08:33 AM
I really hope Falcao scores a couple against them. He has hit the bar twice so far, hasn't he and looked pretty despondent to be subbed last week.
The way Herrera is going, I fancy him to score as well. Is he going to be fit after the back problems?
Wonder if LVG will bring Blackett back in or continue with McNair along with Rojo.

Esquilax
30-09-2014, 08:52 AM
I really hope Falcao scores a couple against them. He has hit the bar twice so far, hasn't he and looked pretty despondent to be subbed last week. The way Herrera is going, I fancy him to score as well. Is he going to be fit after the back problems? Wonder if LVG will bring Blackett back in or continue with McNair along with Rojo.

Agree re Falcao. Think he needs one to start a run going.

I saw a fairly unsubstantiated report in a laker saying the injury wasn't as mad as first feared and he "could" return...

Talk of Jones bring available.

Keano's Magic Hat
30-09-2014, 09:46 AM
I really hope Falcao scores a couple against them. He has hit the bar twice so far, hasn't he and looked pretty despondent to be subbed last week.
The way Herrera is going, I fancy him to score as well. Is he going to be fit after the back problems?
Wonder if LVG will bring Blackett back in or continue with McNair along with Rojo.

rojo and McNair please

If jones is not fit, if jones is fit i'd put him in along side rojo

Esquilax
30-09-2014, 10:07 AM
My instinct was Blackett simply as he has more games, but then again rojo and Blackett have never partnered each other whereas McNair and Rojo worked well together on Saturday.

Keano's Magic Hat
30-09-2014, 10:14 AM
My instinct was Blackett simply as he has more games, but then again rojo and Blackett have never partnered each other whereas McNair and Rojo worked well together on Saturday.

Exactly, we need a partnership to form.

We're getting to the stage now where it doesn't really matter who

Red News
30-09-2014, 01:58 PM
Juan Mata thinks we will win on Sunday


“We are already thinking about the match against Everton next Sunday. Last season we couldn’t win, but I believe it will be different this time and we will be able to get the three points in our stadium.”

mattweeden
30-09-2014, 03:07 PM
Looks like Herrera is going to be out for a few weeks. Big blow that.

Red News
30-09-2014, 03:14 PM
Sounds like Ander Herrera is out for weeks then. Shame as he was doing well


United tweet


“INJURY UPDATE: Ander Herrera sustained a fractured rib vs West Ham. We'll continue to monitor his progress over the next few weeks.”

Red News
30-09-2014, 03:15 PM
And not another injury? This time James Wilson?


http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/30/james-wilson-manchester-united-11th-player-injured?CMP=twt_gu

Esquilax
30-09-2014, 03:50 PM
Gutted about Herrera.

There's an international break after Everton isn't there?

What's a broken rib these days?

Red News
30-09-2014, 03:53 PM
What's a broken rib these days?

22p in Wings.

Esquilax
30-09-2014, 04:10 PM
22p in Wings.

:icon_redface::icon_eek:

*mowgli*
30-09-2014, 04:12 PM
What's a broken rib these days?

6 weeks ish. And it's very difficult to do any kind of fitness work with a broken rib so might take him a while longer than that to return to match fitness :icon_mad:

Red News
30-09-2014, 04:26 PM
6 weeks ish. And it's very difficult to do any kind of fitness work with a broken rib so might take him a while longer than that to return to match fitness :icon_mad:

it fucking hurts!

Esquilax
30-09-2014, 04:32 PM
6 weeks ish. And it's very difficult to do any kind of fitness work with a broken rib so might take him a while longer than that to return to match fitness :icon_mad:

:icon_evil:


it fucking hurts!

Never had one but apparently it's even sore to breathe?

Red News
30-09-2014, 05:47 PM
:icon_evil:



Never had one but apparently it's even sore to breathe?

yep, and you don't want to cough or laugh! Got mine fucking tackling a burglar at Mum's and Dad's - that one where I was told I could get nicked if he the their said he'd been hit by the broom I had outside the property when running away, luckily... ahem... it was all done inside the property!

Esquilax
30-09-2014, 06:08 PM
yep, and you don't want to cough or laugh! Got mine fucking tackling a burglar at Mum's and Dad's - that one where I was told I could get nicked if he the their said he'd been hit by the broom I had outside the property when running away, luckily... ahem... it was all done inside the property!

ha ha!!

Jasper
30-09-2014, 08:03 PM
yep, and you don't want to cough or laugh! Got mine fucking tackling a burglar at Mum's and Dad's - that one where I was told I could get nicked if he the their said he'd been hit by the broom I had outside the property when running away, luckily... ahem... it was all done inside the property!
I presume the police told you that?

I had a similar situation a few years back where I leathered someone outside my parents house who was giving them a terrible time. The copper pretty much told me I was defending our property or if I said otherwise I was getting arrested. He knew the other twats involved were notorious trouble causers and just saw it as justice being served.

greghura
30-09-2014, 08:42 PM
Sounds like Ander Herrera is out for weeks then. Shame as he was doing well


United tweet


“INJURY UPDATE: Ander Herrera sustained a fractured rib vs West Ham. We'll continue to monitor his progress over the next few weeks.”
goodness me, I can't even remember the incident when he was injured. Did someone elbow him or something? how on earth did he injure his ribs! :dejection::dejection::dejection:
I'm gonna be out traveling this weekend, gotta do with just commentary :uncomfortableness:

Red News
30-09-2014, 09:21 PM
I presume the police told you that?

I had a similar situation a few years back where I leathered someone outside my parents house who was giving them a terrible time. The copper pretty much told me I was defending our property or if I said otherwise I was getting arrested. He knew the other twats involved were notorious trouble causers and just saw it as justice being served.

I was told over a coffee that before I gave the statement I should know a few pieces of information...

Thing was he'd done 2-3 other gaffs before including an office, had stuff on him, found his dna on the scene, had 185 - yes 185 - offences that would then be taken into account and added up to see what they'd take to court... and they still reckoned he might not actually do time after the remand!

RedSanta
30-09-2014, 09:49 PM
goodness me, I can't even remember the incident when he was injured. Did someone elbow him or something? how on earth did he injure his ribs! :dejection::dejection::dejection:
I'm gonna be out traveling this weekend, gotta do with just commentary :uncomfortableness:

Ran into the ref I think.

The Galway Red
30-09-2014, 11:25 PM
yep, and you don't want to cough or laugh! Got mine fucking tackling a burglar at Mum's and Dad's - that one where I was told I could get nicked if he the their said he'd been hit by the broom I had outside the property when running away, luckily... ahem... it was all done inside the property!

I swear to god I read that as 'burger' the first 3 times I read it and was at a loss to understand how you broke a rib and why the police were involved.

Red News
01-10-2014, 01:05 AM
I swear to god I read that as 'burger' the first 3 times I read it and was at a loss to understand how you broke a rib and why the police were involved.

no burger is that big!

Red News
03-10-2014, 02:32 AM
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mattweeden
03-10-2014, 09:46 AM
Everton fan at work has being doing my head in all week. Just like thier scouse counterparts. Hope we batter them.

Red News
03-10-2014, 12:22 PM
good preview by Steve Armstrong at http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/behind-enemy-lines-in-depth-look-7869570

Red News
03-10-2014, 09:45 PM
Everton fan at work has being doing my head in all week. Just like thier scouse counterparts. Hope we batter them.

think we will, good for us, but asking them to play 12 on Sunday after that long trip to Russia on a Thursday is mental.

Esquilax
04-10-2014, 12:15 AM
think we will, good for us, but asking them to play 12 on Sunday after that long trip to Russia on a Thursday is mental.

Did they win? I kept an eye out for their result but didn't see it.

I suppose I could google it. And it probably would have taken fewer characters than to type this! Ah well

Red News
04-10-2014, 01:51 AM
drew, Etooooooo with the equaliser. Strong team they put out as well.

Esquilax
04-10-2014, 08:59 AM
drew, Etooooooo with the equaliser. Strong team they put out as well.

Thanks barney. Good to hear it was a strong team. Completely forgot Old Man Et'o'o'o'o'o is there!

Jasper
04-10-2014, 09:19 AM
I was listening to sam matterface on the Colin murray show yesterday and he was saying that everton look shambolic at the back. He was saying that this was a ongoing thing with martinez teams.

Saying how both swansea and wigan played nice football but struggled defensively. Everton had decent defensive stats last season but he was questioning whether that was because martinez inherited a good defence from moyes and that his usual frailties are coming back to haunt them.

I haven't really watched them this season but it will be interesting to see. Hopefully we can add to their problems.

Red News
04-10-2014, 10:14 AM
for confidence we need a win. And to show we continue to be in better shape than last season. As I said to Jim, he clearly has a new way of bringing back players from injury even though they may say they are fit - it might annoy some players though.

Full press conference transcript at http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/153108-Louis-van-Gaal-pre-Everton-Home-press-conference-transcript-in-full-%28both-segments%29-02-10-14

mattweeden
04-10-2014, 11:04 AM
Would rather they got match fit rather then being rushed back and getting injured agian.

BezsMaracas
04-10-2014, 11:43 AM
Would rather they got match fit rather then being rushed back and getting injured agian.
I wouldn't mind rushing Fellaini back

willo
04-10-2014, 11:53 AM
I wouldn't mind rushing Fellaini back

Weird that while it hasn't worked out for him at United to say the least, I'm still glad that we're not facing him tomorrow.

coggie
04-10-2014, 12:21 PM
Did they win? I kept an eye out for their result but didn't see it.

I suppose I could google it. And it probably would have taken fewer characters than to type this! Ah well

your best post of the year

Esquilax
04-10-2014, 05:18 PM
your best post of the year

High praise indeed!

coggie
04-10-2014, 08:48 PM
High praise indeed!

ha ha..it is young man it is

Esquilax
05-10-2014, 04:20 AM
YA NY TID!!!!
<clap> <clap> <clap>

skyfly
05-10-2014, 10:26 AM
Obvious Statement I know but we really should win this, if we are moving on. I don't think we will.
If we drop points here then it's going to be a long road back for us.

skyfly
05-10-2014, 10:35 AM
Top four for at least a bit if we do it. :icon_twisted:

skyfly
05-10-2014, 10:36 AM
Everton have won three of their last four games against Manchester United, all in the Premier League.

mattweeden
05-10-2014, 11:45 AM
Quite confident today. Only downer that we are on bt sport and we have a terrible record on that channel.

Bomber
05-10-2014, 12:28 PM
Great goal.

20_and_counting
05-10-2014, 12:29 PM
This number 7 is proving to be slightly more effective than the last!

Bern
05-10-2014, 12:51 PM
Well they didn't deserve to go in at half time level. Great save, but don't think it should have been a penalty. Think Rafael and Valencia combining well, Rafael in particular having a great game. Once Falcao breaks his duck they'll be no stopping him....

Bomber
05-10-2014, 12:51 PM
Fantastic to save that. Poor decision by Shaw (not convinced it was a foul mind), great timing by DDG - and strong hands to get it away.

Jasper
05-10-2014, 12:57 PM
Still not convinced mata slows us down.

Don't think it was a pen.

I've got 4-0 so was telling everyone in the pub baines doesn't miss and ddg doesn't save pens. Reverse psychology works people!

Just watching the replay. Silly by shaw but mcmanaman is a cunt!

mattweeden
05-10-2014, 01:03 PM
Didn't think it was a pen. Would have been a bitter blow. Need to kick on now. Can't see us not conceding especially from a set play.

Bern
05-10-2014, 01:17 PM
Didn't think it was a pen. Would have been a bitter blow. Need to kick on now. Can't see us not conceding especially from a set play.

Jinx!

20_and_counting
05-10-2014, 01:24 PM
He'll hopefully be flying after opening his scoring

20_and_counting
05-10-2014, 01:29 PM
Jesus- what the fuck is up with us and injuries??!

Jasper
05-10-2014, 02:00 PM
Ddg. Dodgy around the box. Deadly as a shot stopper!

Vanilla
05-10-2014, 02:09 PM
Good time to remind ourselves of another good time - Big Norm's winner against Everton, featured in the BBC's 50 Memorable Goals in the FA Cup:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29364057

mattweeden
05-10-2014, 02:16 PM
Great win. Class save by de gea but really need sort out our defending from set pieces. They looked scoring every time. Thought lvg subs didn't help us that lump is the midfield mad terrible when he came on. He never showed for the ball and Everton just went straight through him. Contrast to Valencia who was quite impressive in there.

redlester
05-10-2014, 03:26 PM
Great win. Everyone did their bit today, some better than others, but all contributed. Shame about Shaw, we are clearly stronger with him but I assume it will be the usual several weeks out. I just hope Di Maria stays fit!

DDG incredible today and we are going to need to very quickly find a way of playing 90 minutes instead of just 70 because every game at present we are running out of steam totally. Falcao going off weakened us again, hopefully after the break he can play 90 minutes.

Top 4 for now if Arsenal lose. Hope we can remain there.

E.S.
05-10-2014, 03:50 PM
that was "tense"

E.S.
05-10-2014, 03:56 PM
van persie looks well short of pace.

di maria looks so class and appears to have mastered the art of miss-hitting a shot that then turns into an assist

Fellaini - he seems to have no idea where to stand on the pitch to be helpful to the team.

*mowgli*
05-10-2014, 04:01 PM
Thought lvg subs didn't help us that lump is the midfield mad terrible when he came on. He never showed for the ball and Everton just went straight through him. Contrast to Valencia who was quite impressive in there.



Fellaini - he seems to have no idea where to stand on the pitch to be helpful to the team.

dear god give him a chance! He's be out for ages and got booed during his last appearance. Not sure what more people expected.

I agree though Matt - they seemed like strange substitutions. Seems to be a bit of a feature of LVG!

RepoMan
05-10-2014, 04:04 PM
Enjoyed that although it is a white knuckle ride now.

The intention to play high intensity is there and the work ethic is most definitely there, particularly from Rafael who has now done well in back to back games.

Clearly there is a lot work to be done particularly with concentration. I think Shaw was culpable for the goal. First was a penalty all day long, Shaw switches off and Hibbert gets in front of him. He doesn't take the ball cleanly, Kevin Friend had an easy decision. As for his injury, he'll be out again for a while I guess, but he's had a baptism of fire in the big time. And he'd better learn quick because he doesn't he'll quickly become an understudy.

Loving Falcao and Di Maria, because their only thought is forward and the former's movement is a revelation and why he scores a lot of goals. Surprised that Everton let Blind have so much the ball in advanced areas.

Great afternoon for David De Gea too, delighted he saved the penalty, and especially pleased that United shut those f****** up.

Finno63
05-10-2014, 04:06 PM
Thought McNair was very good again today......did a great job on Lukaku whenever he had to.
And Rojo is definitely better in central defence than at left back.
Nerve wracking finish but like last week,really important for team spirit to hold out for the three points.
Delighted!

willo
05-10-2014, 04:07 PM
Terrific first half, if nothing else emerges from this season then the football and entertainment is a huge step change from last season. Thought Rafael was terrific in the first half and the football under LVG really suits him and he's answering some of the doubts that have been thrown at him. Thought Mata was decent first half too, quick feet keep the ball moving that links well with those around him who are quick of mind. Shaw looked decent too, penalty aside (looked a pen to me but heard others say he got a toe on the ball?) so hope his injury is not too serious.

Second half we seemed to lose shape and organisation. Will have to watch it back but whereas Blind was controlling the middle in the first half he seemed to go awol in the second.

3 top class moments from DDG. Di Maria terrific to watch, Falcao works hard (ironically didn't think his touch was as good as previous games today but the goal was clearly a big relief for him and no doubt more will follow).

*mowgli*
05-10-2014, 04:12 PM
Re: the penalty - it wouldn't have been a free kick anywhere else on the pitch imho.

Jasper
05-10-2014, 04:14 PM
Re: the penalty - it wouldn't have been a free kick anywhere else on the pitch imho.

It would. More so in fact

*mowgli*
05-10-2014, 04:18 PM
It would. More so in fact

righto.

richiethomas
05-10-2014, 05:31 PM
I actually thought, Valencia was decent today! He added legs and physicality, when he came off we lacked that, I'd have swapped mata for Fellaini.

all the talk of De Geas saves - but blacketts block was unreal

redlester
05-10-2014, 05:59 PM
I actually thought, Valencia was decent today! He added legs and physicality, when he came off we lacked that, I'd have swapped mata for Fellaini.

all the talk of De Geas saves - but blacketts block was unreal

Valencia did what he had to do quite well, but he's a noticeable step down from Hererra when we are attacking. Still far too indecisive and dithery, and always will be by the looks of it.

Hats off to all defenders for every last ditch block and save, although I'd prefer we were better organised such that there are less of them required. When Shaw went off we were wide open down the left.

stalky
05-10-2014, 06:00 PM
Started panicking again and hoofing it out instead of playing it out and created the child up of pressure in the last 10 mins or so. Fletcher calmed things down last week when he came in. Fellaini came in & it lead to a lot of high balls to him that were coming straight back at us. Thought that was a strange sub.

Bloody love di maria tho.

Falcao & di Maria scored for man united today. That's mental when you consider where we were 6 months ago.

redlester
05-10-2014, 06:05 PM
Did anyone stay long enough to see what happened to Valencia at the end? As the teams walked off he was last off the bench with two United physios and just a few paces down the touch line he doubled up and clearly was unable to walk. They didn't look too concerned, as if it might have been just cramp, but at one point the stretcher team came over and it looked like he was going to be carried off. But by then BT Sport had set up and were doing their thing with Scholes and so Valencia and the others were just left waiting, with him sat on the ground near the old tunnel. They were still all there when I left.

Jasper
05-10-2014, 06:06 PM
Valencia did what he had to do quite well, but he's a noticeable step down from Hererra when we are attacking. Still far too indecisive and dithery, and always will be by the looks of it.

Hats off to all defenders for every last ditch block and save, although I'd prefer we were better organised such that there are less of them required. When Shaw went off we were wide open down the left.

Can't fault shaw so far even though some blind bastards think we should have kept evra over a young promising player

redlester
05-10-2014, 06:06 PM
dear god give him a chance! He's be out for ages and got booed during his last appearance. Not sure what more people expected.



I expected him to be utter shite. And he was!

redlester
05-10-2014, 06:07 PM
Can't fault shaw so far even though some blind bastards think we should have kept evra over a young promising player

Agree completely. Some seem to have a major downer on him though.

Jasper
05-10-2014, 06:08 PM
Did anyone stay long enough to see what happened to Valencia at the end? As the teams walked off he was last off the bench with two United physios and just a few paces down the touch line he doubled up and clearly was unable to walk. They didn't look too concerned, as if it might have been just cramp, but at one point the stretcher team came over and it looked like he was going to be carried off. But by then BT Sport had set up and were doing their thing with Scholes and so Valencia and the others were just left waiting, with him sat on the ground near the old tunnel. They were still all there when I left.

Thats karma for always walking off and fucking the fans off!

steviecoppellonthewing
05-10-2014, 06:15 PM
Not sure Fellaini did too much wrong. We stoped playing as a unit in the second half, have to find a way of keeping things going for 90 minutes. LvG will suss things out. At least there is now some excitement back at OT.

nice to see you today Barney, that beard is coming along very nicely, in about a fortnight you'll be giving Keano a run for his money :cool:

willo
05-10-2014, 06:16 PM
Did anyone stay long enough to see what happened to Valencia at the end? As the teams walked off he was last off the bench with two United physios and just a few paces down the touch line he doubled up and clearly was unable to walk. They didn't look too concerned, as if it might have been just cramp, but at one point the stretcher team came over and it looked like he was going to be carried off. But by then BT Sport had set up and were doing their thing with Scholes and so Valencia and the others were just left waiting, with him sat on the ground near the old tunnel. They were still all there when I left.


I think the ball touched his left foot towards the end which sent it (the foot) into trauma


Thats karma for always walking off and fucking the fans off!

He looks so moody. In fairness, unprompted he followed some of the players and came over and signed our flag a couple of years back but retained his stony faced stare when doing so. But generally, it winds me up no end when they don't thank the fans especially on european trips. On more than one occassion in recent seasons I've seen the manager or players like Giggs & Carrick have to tell others to go back and acknowledge the support.

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:37 PM
[1] Van Gaal ... first half okay, second half not so ... it is a shame (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153136)
Posted on 05/10/2014 13:22:03 GMT
"It's a little bit strange that every time the first half is good...but the second half is very different. That's a shame."

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:37 PM
[2] Van Gaal on De Gea being great ... (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153137)
Posted on 05/10/2014 13:26:22 GMT
"When you stop a penalty and then in the dying seconds you make three saves, you are great."

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:38 PM
[3] Di Maria thinks De Gea should have got Man of the Match, and the rest of the team (that'd be of the team of the match award then ...) (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153138)
Posted on 05/10/2014 14:38:39 GMT
"I think David is the guy the who deserves this reward rather than myself he saved us throughout the game and particularly towards the end and the penalty as well so not only him but the rest of the side deserve this."

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:38 PM
[4] Di Maria says Falcao has now found what he was looking for #notu2 (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153139)
Posted on 05/10/2014 14:42:41 GMT
"Yes, it's great for him [to score]

"He's been looking for that first goal for a while now and he's it's very, very important for him now.

"I think not only him but ourselves are on the right road now and the main thing is we're fighting for victories and fighting for points.

"We've got the three points for the day and hopefully we can now move further up the table."

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:39 PM
[9] Van Gaal is glad Falcao has scored, it comes at a good time and expects to see more of it (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153144)
Posted on 05/10/2014 14:47:48 GMT
"Yes, he needed that goal. I talked with him and I told him that he was forcing himself too much to score. He is a player who scores in every match, but now he has waited to score. Now he has [got his goal], it will be better after the international break."

[8] Van Gaal on Di Maria the team player (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153143)
Posted on 05/10/2014 14:46:40 GMT
"I have said in my press conference that he is a team player, that he gives a lot of assists and he is making a lot of goals. We also need balance in our team when we don’t have the ball. For that, we have to find the solution. He is doing great. He wants to do his work defensively"

[7] Van Gaal says he found the second half as difficult to watch as the rest of us ! (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153142)
Posted on 05/10/2014 14:45:57 GMT
"The balance in our team in the second half has to improve. When we have the ball we have to keep the ball and we didn’t do that. So that's why in the second half it was very difficult for the fans, for the players, for the substitutes, but also for the manager!"

http://impgb.tradedoubler.com/imp?type%28img%29g%2820945852%29a%28608750%2983562 (http://clkuk.tradedoubler.com/click?p=40263&a=608750&g=20945852)
[6] Van Gaal says Shaw withdrawal was precaution ... (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153141)
Posted on 05/10/2014 14:44:54 GMT
"It was an impact on his knee and he has a dead knee. He could have made it worse so that is why he stepped out."

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:39 PM
[11] Van Gaal on two different halfs and his changes to help the team that didn't seem to work (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153146)
Posted on 05/10/2014 14:49:08 GMT
“It was a very good first half, like against West Ham. We created a lot of chances but in the first half we only scored one goal from all those chances. Then we got a penalty given against us. Everton hadn’t created any chances until the last minute of the half, but fortunately De Gea stops the penalty. Then I thought the second half was easier to play against Everton because they wanted to equalise, so we had to keep the ball. But we couldn’t do that. I made substitutions to help our organisation but despite my changes it was not better because in the last 15 minutes they created three big chances."

[10] Van Gaal on de man de gea (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153145)
Posted on 05/10/2014 14:48:30 GMT
"David De Gea was fantastic today. When there are a lot of players in front of you your view is not so good as a goalkeeper. When the shot comes in from outside the box it is always at the last moment that you see the ball, but his reflexes are very good."

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:40 PM
[15] Falcao and his family are happy in Manchester ... he wants to stay for a long time (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153150)
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:29:12 GMT
"Me and my family are happy here, and we would like to stay for many years at Manchester United."

[14] Falcao is happy to have scored, so so happy (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153149)
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:28:11 GMT
"All strikers need goals, and for me there was a little bit of relief to score my first goal, I hope to score many in the future. It was amazing that my first goal was at Old Trafford, I enjoyed it with all the fans and I want to say thank you to God, my team mates, all the staff and the coaches."

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:40 PM
[21] De gea is happy with the calm and strong McNair in front of him (plus he's thinks Rojo is good too!)
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:38:05 GMT
"I think all the saves are important for the goalkeepers to win the games but I think the back four played really, really well. Paddy [McNair] is very young but he's really calm, good with the ball and strong. I think, with Marcos [Rojo], they are really good defenders"
[20] De Gea has been doing his homework on penalties by Baines
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:36:45 GMT
"I watched his [Baines] penalties before the game but you have to be lucky sometimes. I decided to go to my right and saved the penalty"
[19] De Gea on a good three points as we now sit in fourth in the league
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:35:54 GMT
"I think it's a vital three points, really important points for the team to get into the top four. We need to go with the national teams but we'll come back and look forward."
[18] De Gea feels that Di Maria and Falcao give the team confidence
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:34:45 GMT
"When we sign a player like Di Maria, the team feels better with him in front of you. It's different. He's a top player and will score many goals. I hope it's one of many goals for Falcao. He has goals in his veins and a killer instinct. Hopefully, he'll score a lot more."

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:41 PM
[23] De Gea found it hard to believe the Old Trafford crowd were singing his name so loud (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153158)
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:39:57 GMT
"It's difficult to say something about the crowd. When they sing your name like this, it is unbelievable"

[22] De Gea on a game today that was one of his best at MUFC (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153157)
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:39:08 GMT
"It was one of the best games of my career for Manchester United and I'm really happy with the saves, the win and for the team as well,"

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:41 PM
[30] Martinez thinks De Gea stopped Everton getting the result they deserved for their second half performance (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153165)
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:50:50 GMT
"I just felt that De Gea made two world-class saves that stopped us getting a positive result. The second-half performance deserved more than we got."

[29] Martinez on Everton's hunt for points (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153164)
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:49:45 GMT
"We want more points. We are not hiding from the fact. We feel we have dropped many points.

"But we have played four of the top six teams already. We are getting sharper and stronger.

"We need to get a good break now and after we'll try to get the results our performances deserve."

[28] The number of Falcao cheerleaders has grown by one more ... (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153163)
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:47:39 GMT
@GaryLineker

Falcao's movement in the box is so good, he'll score bags of goals!

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:41 PM
[33] Luke Shaw on a great three points despite giving away possession too much (again) (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153168)
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:55:48 GMT
"It was a good game overall but, at times, we need to keep possession more as we've been giving it away too cheaply and it's costing goals from that. We know we can do much better than today. The main thing, overall, is the three points."

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:42 PM
[36] Luke Shaw isn't hurt too much and will still go on England duty (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153171)
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:59:34 GMT
"It's not a bad injury, it's a dead leg on my knee,"

"I felt it in the first 20 minutes when I got caught but it carried on during the game so I thought it was probably best to come off before it gets any worse.

"I spoke with the doctor and obviously the manager as well and both feel it's best that I do go [with the England Under-21s] as it's not an injury that is going to keep me out. Hopefully, I should be training in the next couple of days and can get another two games of 90 minutes each.

"As I said, I've been talking to the manager and we've spoken about it and think it's a great idea for me to go to help out with the Under-21s and get some game-time as well."

[35] Luke Shaw was gutted about the penalty and was thankful De Gea saved it (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153170)
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:58:35 GMT
"I'm devastated it was a penalty but all thanks to David De Gea. I did Tweet straight afterwards to thank him! He was world-class today and made us get the three points.

[34] Luke Shaw won't say the penalty was a bad ref decision, but will say he touched the ball and doesn't think the penalty should have been given ! (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153169)
Posted on 05/10/2014 17:57:26 GMT
"I'm not going to say the penalty was a bad decision but it was one I did not feel was right. I thought I touched the ball and, if you look at the replay, I think you can see I do touch the ball.

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:42 PM
[39] Everton boss Martinez was asked if Tim Howard's poor clearance was to blame for United's goal (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153174)
Posted on 05/10/2014 18:02:59 GMT
“I wouldn’t say that. Errors are part of the game,”

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:43 PM
[42] Van Gaal on United still not defending well (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153177)
Posted on 05/10/2014 18:07:33 GMT
“With 10 [men, because of Wayne Rooney’s dismissal] we could have defended better than last week but now we play 11 against 11 and we still have not defended well,”

[41] Van Gaal can see whats wrong but can't do anything about it until his players are back ! (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153176)
Posted on 05/10/2014 18:06:37 GMT
“We have given in the second half four big chances away. In other matches, we didn’t give them. I like Everton because they are a playing team. That I said before the match also but we have to do it better and improve. That is why we have to train but now all my players are gone. The rest are injured. I have to wait.”

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:43 PM
[45] Van Gaal believe's United's organisation isn't good enough and we fail to exploit gaps left by attacking opponents (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153180)
Posted on 05/10/2014 18:13:30 GMT
"I tried to maintain the organisation and in spite of that we weren’t more organised. That’s a pity because normally you can create a lot of chances because Everton want to score [an equaliser]. The space for our attack was bigger but we didn’t profit from it.”

[44] Van Gaal on a 4th place despite playing poorly and wonders what will happen when we start playing well ! (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153179)
Posted on 05/10/2014 18:12:21 GMT
“We are not playing good but we are already fourth in the table. What is coming when we are playing well?

[43] Van Gaal has Rojo and Di Maria flying off to Brazil and then playing Japan before arriving back 2 days before WBA (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153178)
Posted on 05/10/2014 18:09:25 GMT
“They are playing two friendly games. They are coming back with jetlag and I have to wait. Then I have only two days before [we play] West Bromwich Albion,”

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:43 PM
[48] Martinez thought De Gea was man of the match (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153183)
Posted on 05/10/2014 18:20:05 GMT
“Tim Howard had a very good game. I don’t think he was responsible for the result at all. De Gea was the man of the match and the difference in the scoreline.”

[47] Andy Hunter praises De Gea's performance (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153182)
Posted on 05/10/2014 18:19:15 GMT
as he pick's out De Gea's best moments from the game v Everton - http://www.theguardian.com/football/...howard-everton (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/oct/05/manchester-united-david-de-gea-tim-howard-everton)

E.S.
05-10-2014, 07:44 PM
[51] David Maddock thought De Gea was great but the result wasn't just down to him (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153186)
Posted on 05/10/2014 18:35:25 GMT
"So on the surface, yes, it was a tale of two keepers, but also, a tale of two tactics...and United, for all the luck that went their way, got a victory they didn't deserve, because Everton's system places a pressure on a back line that is currently overloaded" full article via this link - http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...#ixzz3FITFejRP (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-both-david-de-4385302#ixzz3FITFejRP)

[50] Everton boss Martinez thinks the second goal should not have been allowed ... (http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=153185)
Posted on 05/10/2014 18:25:42 GMT
"We're disappointed with the second goal. I thought the referee made a major, major error,' the Everton manager said after the 2-1 defeat. I just don't understand that decision. Steven Pienaar was on the ground, we made it clear to the referee to stop the game and he allowed it to play on and it was very, very disappointing. Steven receives a knock and he goes to ground, the ball is in front of him and the referee is well aware of it. He is talking with fourth official.

"It is a clear-cut decision. The law says if the player is on the ground and the ball is not in a dangerous position you need to stop the game. Man United attacks and the ball ends up in our net and I don't think that is fair. I think that action was a big mistake from the referee"

coggie
05-10-2014, 08:19 PM
Did anyone stay long enough to see what happened to Valencia at the end? As the teams walked off he was last off the bench with two United physios and just a few paces down the touch line he doubled up and clearly was unable to walk. They didn't look too concerned, as if it might have been just cramp, but at one point the stretcher team came over and it looked like he was going to be carried off. But by then BT Sport had set up and were doing their thing with Scholes and so Valencia and the others were just left waiting, with him sat on the ground near the old tunnel. They were still all there when I left.

see a picture on twitter with him and the rest of the Spanish speakers ( including Herrera) sat in the dressing room post match and he looked okay then

coggie
05-10-2014, 08:22 PM
Started panicking again and hoofing it out instead of playing it out and created the child up of pressure in the last 10 mins or so. Fletcher calmed things down last week when he came in. Fellaini came in & it lead to a lot of high balls to him that were coming straight back at us. Thought that was a strange sub.

Bloody love di maria tho.

Falcao & di Maria scored for man united today. That's mental when you consider where we were 6 months ago.


I agree, think it allowed Everton the initiative and gain momentum....he is slow and lethargic

*mowgli*
05-10-2014, 08:29 PM
Can't fault shaw so far even though some blind bastards think we should have kept evra over a young promising player

Not sure whether you've had one two many ales or are just being deliberately provocative. I'll bite though.

I don't think anyone has said that, but I (and probably others) questioned whether that £30 million would have been better off chucked in Dortmund's direction (for instance) in a bid to sign a centre-half of Hummel's class. I still maintain that a world class, captain material, centre-half is more use to us at the moment than an expensive left-back and you won't convince me otherwise. I don't think Shaw will be worth that many more points to us this season - however good he might turn out to be. He nearly cost us some today...


Agree completely. Some seem to have a major downer on him though.

You'd have had a downer on Evra if he'd been partially culpable for a goal, given away a penalty and then hobbled off injured! ;-)

redlester
05-10-2014, 08:32 PM
"It is a clear-cut decision. The law says if the player is on the ground and the ball is not in a dangerous position you need to stop the game. Man United attacks and the ball ends up in our net and I don't think that is fair. I think that action was a big mistake from the referee"

Does someone need to send Martinez a copy of page 73 of the Laws of the Game?


Injured playersThe referee must adhere to the following procedure when dealing with injured
players:
• play is allowed to continue until the ball is out of play if a player is, in the
opinion of the referee, only slightly injured
• play is stopped if, in the opinion of the referee, a player is seriously injured

stalky
05-10-2014, 08:33 PM
That mirror article fails to mention everton created fuçk all till the last 5 minutes & what they did was mainly down to united panicking & keep gifting possession back to them. Everton spent a lot of time on the ball in the rest of the game passing sideways about 35 yds from goal without actually creating anything.

Really do need to get better at keeping playing our footy & not getting so nervous. Once that comes we will then see what this team is really capable of.

redlester
05-10-2014, 08:36 PM
I don't think anyone has said that, but I (and probably others) questioned whether that £30 million would have been better off chucked in Dortmund's direction (for instance) in a bid to sign a centre-half of Hummel's class.

Fuck Hummels! Did you not see his quote about wishing Gerrard had won the title last season?


I still maintain that a world class, captain material, centre-half is more use to us at the moment than an expensive left-back

Regardless of the expense, we needed both.


You'd have had a downer on Evra if he'd been partially culpable for a goal, given away a penalty and then hobbled off injured! ;-)

Maybe, but not if he'd done all the other good stuff that Shaw did today. The sort of things like preventing crosses, that Evra was fucking useless at.

steviecoppellonthewing
05-10-2014, 08:37 PM
Getting Shaw was important and imo had no bearing in the slightest on our inability to bring in that dominant CB we quite obviously still need. When that such player is available, and LvG gives the club the green light, we will hopefully make our move.

I for one would have been really pissed if someone like Jose had gobbled up Shaw this past summer. It's all about the big picture people.

redlester
05-10-2014, 08:38 PM
That mirror article fails to mention everton created fuçk all till the last 5 minutes & what they did was mainly down to united panicking & keep gifting possession back to them. Everton spent a lot of time on the ball in the rest of the game passing sideways about 35 yds from goal without actually creating anything.


Beat me to it. DDG didn't have anything to do before the penalty, and not that much afterwards until the closing stages.

Not that Howard did either after the Falcao goal, but I thought United were well worth the win.

steviecoppellonthewing
05-10-2014, 08:41 PM
And really glad Falcao got off the mark today, when this fella gets back to firing on all cylinders we are in for some treat. Seems like a really good guy aswell, get the feeling he already loves life at OT.

*mowgli*
05-10-2014, 08:50 PM
Maybe, but not if he'd done all the other good stuff that Shaw did today. The sort of things like preventing crosses, that Evra was fucking useless at.

Look, I'm playing devil's advocate here cos I thought he looked decent today and will be a good buy for us, but forget how many crosses he prevented the facts are that he lost Naismith for the Everton goal and then gave away a penalty. People see what they want to see and Evra would have been crucified for both of those things.

*mowgli*
05-10-2014, 08:53 PM
I for one would have been really pissed if someone like Jose had gobbled up Shaw this past summer. It's all about the big picture people.

Jose could have had Shaw if he wanted to. He is a Chelsea fan. Mourinho clearly prioritised other areas and bought what he felt was a better 'value' left back in Luis.

steviecoppellonthewing
05-10-2014, 08:58 PM
Jose could have had Shaw if he wanted to. He is a Chelsea fan. Mourinho clearly prioritised other areas and bought what he felt was a better 'value' left back in Luis.

thank fuck we did'nt use the V word this summer. For fucking once.

*mowgli*
05-10-2014, 09:01 PM
thank fuck we did'nt use the V word this summer. For fucking once.

yeah, it was refreshing wasn't it!

steviecoppellonthewing
05-10-2014, 09:03 PM
What's happened to Young, has Van Gaal completely binned the fucker?!

ole pancho
05-10-2014, 09:06 PM
United into top four for first time in more than a year and now a point above scousers and the Gooners. At least I can watch MOTD2; I think I only watched it twice last season. Well it's a start isn't it?

coggie
05-10-2014, 09:08 PM
And really glad Falcao got off the mark today, when this fella gets back to firing on all cylinders we are in for some treat. Seems like a really good guy aswell, get the feeling he already loves life at OT.

Think RVP needs to improve a notch or two though...slowed down our play today

coggie
05-10-2014, 09:11 PM
Look, I'm playing devil's advocate here cos I thought he looked decent today and will be a good buy for us, but forget how many crosses he prevented the facts are that he lost Naismith for the Everton goal and then gave away a penalty. People see what they want to see and Evra would have been crucified for both of those things.

Not seen a replay of the goal on tv but where were the central defenders for that goal....shouldn't one of them been in that area and was Shaw actually the man who was supposed to be marking Naismith . Having said that I thought that was a very well executed free kick.


Bit naïve with the penalty, shouldn't have made the tackle

steviecoppellonthewing
05-10-2014, 09:11 PM
Think RVP needs to improve a notch or two though...slowed down our play today

Yeah, he's not doing a lot wrong but I agree, he's not the world beater of old, yet. When everyone does click we have the talent to win games about 20 fucking nil :icon_surprised:

willo
05-10-2014, 09:14 PM
Yeah, he's not doing a lot wrong but I agree, he's not the world beater of old, yet. When everyone does click we have the talent to win games about 20 fucking nil :icon_surprised:

Reckon we might have to get 20 to score more than Chelsea:wink:

coggie
05-10-2014, 09:15 PM
Reckon we might have to get 20 to score more than Chelsea:wink:

Costa will be fucked by the time we play Chelsea and we'll beat them

coggie
05-10-2014, 09:16 PM
Yeah, he's not doing a lot wrong but I agree, he's not the world beater of old, yet. When everyone does click we have the talent to win games about 20 fucking nil :icon_surprised:

ha ha...now that would be fun. Second half today I thought we broke out quickly at times only for RVP to hold it up....maybe he is still not fully fit

willo
05-10-2014, 09:29 PM
Costa will be fucked by the time we play Chelsea and we'll beat them

Am actually quietly confident v Che, although it's Fabregas I'm worried about......will be a big test for Blind and co

steviecoppellonthewing
05-10-2014, 09:34 PM
Win it and it's down to 5, nothing in October.
A long time since that train of thought entered my head.

anthonydoh
05-10-2014, 09:35 PM
What's happened to Young, has Van Gaal completely binned the fucker?!

Was just thinking about him during the week. That's 4 games now in a row where he hasn't had a minute. And those 4 games have come since the transfer window closed. Looks like there is no space for him in LVG's team, which is fine by me.

redlester
05-10-2014, 09:36 PM
Look, I'm playing devil's advocate here cos I thought he looked decent today and will be a good buy for us, but forget how many crosses he prevented the facts are that he lost Naismith for the Everton goal and then gave away a penalty. People see what they want to see and Evra would have been crucified for both of those things.

People see what they see, but they interpret it how they want to. Evra began his career badly, became a great player for us, and ended badly again. He would have been crucified during his first or final periods, but less so when he was otherwise playing well, because he'd earned the right to gloss over occasional errors.

I'm afraid I can't forget the crosses thing because being old fashioned I think that's the number one job for a full back, especially when you have a defence that can't defend them very well.

I forgot to add a wink on my Hummels comment, I think he'd be a great asset. If he'd come to us he'd never have said that shit about Gerrard I trust!

redlester
05-10-2014, 09:39 PM
What's happened to Young, has Van Gaal completely binned the fucker?!

I think Young is (or was) injured?

redlester
05-10-2014, 09:40 PM
Having said that I thought that was a very well executed free kick.


If the referee had not made them re-take it, that goal would not have happened. We are sods for switching off when that happens - Cardiff last season...

coggie
05-10-2014, 09:46 PM
If the referee had not made them re-take it, that goal would not have happened. We are sods for switching off when that happens - Cardiff last season...

why did he make them re take.....

coggie
05-10-2014, 09:47 PM
Win it and it's down to 5, nothing in October.
A long time since that train of thought entered my head.

assuming we get the points at West Brom

redlester
05-10-2014, 09:48 PM
why did he make them re take.....

Absolutely no idea, we couldn't work it out at the time. I think it may simply have been that he hadn't blown his whistle yet. He seemed pedantic and card happy all game.

Esquilax
05-10-2014, 09:52 PM
he lost Naismith for the Everton goal

I couldn't help but notice another fullback also on the scene marking nobody!

whalefish
05-10-2014, 09:55 PM
Should've been 4 up by HT, this only being able to play for 60-70mins is annoying. Whilst I don't consider Everton to be shite, the better teams will just toy with United and then stick 2/3 past them.

Need to get Jones in alongside Rojo and then hopefully Carrick/Blind as the 6 for a few games; build up some consistency in what I consider a very key area on the pitch. McNair's done well fwiw but I'm expecting Jones back in when fit.

RVP reminds me of a shit Berbatov atm.

redlester
05-10-2014, 09:59 PM
Should've been 4 up by HT, this only being able to play for 60-70mins is annoying. Whilst I don't consider Everton to be shite, the better teams will just toy with United and then stick 2/3 past them.

Need to get Jones in alongside Rojo and then hopefully Carrick/Blind as the 6 for a few games; build up some consistency in what I consider a very key area on the pitch. McNair's done well fwiw but I'm expecting Jones back in when fit.

RVP reminds me of a shit Berbatov atm.

RVP doesn't look to have the stamina for 90 minutes any more. He started well today but faded.

It's RVP should be going off after 70 minutes, not Falcao.

Do you not agree the 60-70 minute thing has been going on since Fergie days? I clearly recall numerous times this happened back then, and it's just continued but become even more regular.

When was the last time we scored a very late winner in a league game? Fergie's final home game probably!

RepoMan
05-10-2014, 10:13 PM
Look, I'm playing devil's advocate here cos I thought he looked decent today and will be a good buy for us, but forget how many crosses he prevented the facts are that he lost Naismith for the Everton goal and then gave away a penalty. People see what they want to see and Evra would have been crucified for both of those things.

I agree Ian.

His concentration levels need to improve.

redlester
05-10-2014, 10:23 PM
His concentration levels need to improve.

I think that could be said of many of our players, especially some of those currently injured.

greghura
05-10-2014, 10:39 PM
Just got back home and missed the game. Glad to see Falcao got off the mark. I was worried when I saw the lineup in the midfield with valencia, blind and di maria. Will have to watch the replay of the game.
Bit worried that we are giving away pens so many times this season already. chelski will exploit that with hazard and costa. Anyway great to see united in top 4 above the scum.

Jasper
05-10-2014, 10:50 PM
Not sure whether you've had one two many ales or are just being deliberately provocative. I'll bite though.

I don't think anyone has said that, but I (and probably others) questioned whether that £30 million would have been better off chucked in Dortmund's direction (for instance) in a bid to sign a centre-half of Hummel's class. I still maintain that a world class, captain material, centre-half is more use to us at the moment than an expensive left-back and you won't convince me otherwise. I don't think Shaw will be worth that many more points to us this season - however good he might turn out to be. He nearly cost us some today...



You'd have had a downer on Evra if he'd been partially culpable for a goal, given away a penalty and then hobbled off injured! ;-)

Righto

Mezza2
05-10-2014, 10:50 PM
What's happened to Young, has Van Gaal completely binned the fucker?!

Groin injury. Back Oct 20th, according to Saturday's Guardian.

whalefish
05-10-2014, 11:14 PM
RVP doesn't look to have the stamina for 90 minutes any more. He started well today but faded.

It's RVP should be going off after 70 minutes, not Falcao.

Do you not agree the 60-70 minute thing has been going on since Fergie days? I clearly recall numerous times this happened back then, and it's just continued but become even more regular.

When was the last time we scored a very late winner in a league game? Fergie's final home game probably!

No, agree. It's not a new thing.

As is starting the second half slowly.

Does my nut in. But I'm more miffed about not killing teams off after such dominance in the first half.

RepoMan
05-10-2014, 11:27 PM
I think that could be said of many of our players, especially some of those currently injured.

All I would say on this, with regard to the defenders, some have been at the club a while and have proven to be able to defend properly under Sir Alex Ferguson.

They are all on trial still, and they are running out of excuses. Shaw is different. He's come for a lot of money and was scouted before LVG arrived.

Call it unfair, but because of the situation, he is on trial too.

Brennan
06-10-2014, 08:27 AM
Not been impressed with DDG this season. I certainly was yesterday. Loved the way he was smiling and celebrating those saves. Like a striker scoring a goal.

Top performance in goal. More of the same please.

Esquilax
06-10-2014, 10:46 AM
Think RVP needs to improve a notch or two though...slowed down our play today

Yeah, it's a bit weird that RVP and Rooney are seemingly untouchable while Falcao gets hauled off every week (I know he's probably not 100% fit yet) and Mata is seemingly "fighting for his United career"!

I thought Mata did well yesterday, an excellent assist consisting of a superb first touch and a brilliantly weighted and directed pass right into the path of ADM at just the right pace to allow ADM to strike it before getting closed down.

Mata was quiet in the second half but so was everyone, the times he did get the ball he generally used it well. There were some superb turns and examples of holding onto the ball under pressure. He's quality!

steviecoppellonthewing
06-10-2014, 11:01 AM
Think at present the plan of action re Falcao's fitness is to make his games last 70 minutes. LvG leaves nothing to chance, not a morsil.

Esquilax
06-10-2014, 11:06 AM
Think at present the plan of action re Falcao's fitness is to make his games last 70 minutes. LvG leaves nothing to chance, not a morsil.

Your faith in LVG is almost as strong as your faith in Moyesy was last year!

But yeah, think you're right on this.

stalky
06-10-2014, 11:07 AM
Didn't like how we stopped playing yesterday and just started hoofing clearances. Waste of possession & lacked a calming influence when it was needed.

steviecoppellonthewing
06-10-2014, 11:12 AM
Your faith in LVG is almost as strong as your faith in Moyesy was last year!

But yeah, think you're right on this.

That was blind faith in the (faint) hope the fucker would come good.

This is now a cool and calm calculated faith safe in the knowledge that this guy knows the score 100 fucking percent!

It takes fucking years to live things down on here!!

Esquilax
06-10-2014, 11:31 AM
Didn't like how we stopped playing yesterday and just started hoofing clearances. Waste of possession & lacked a calming influence when it was needed.

Blackett was surprisingly composed when he came on I thought. Some nice passes along the ground when in previous games he would have launched them pointlessly.

Brennan
06-10-2014, 11:42 AM
It takes fucking years to live things down on here!!

Lucas Moura

willo
06-10-2014, 11:44 AM
Given those out haven't exactly staked a strong claim, I hope LVG gives Blackett and, particularly, McNair more chances even when his options widen when others come back from injury. I think the back four more than any other area needs some stability and McNair has shown enough to warrant his chance. Blackett was predominately a full back as far as I understood it, and agree with Jim that he looked comfortable there when he came on.

The defence get some stick, and no doubting we need to strengthen and improve there, but for me the pressure they come under and then start hoofing it up to invite more pressure is when the midfield goes missing. Blind was very promising again in the first half yesterday, but when those further up the pitch offer little protection and invite the opposition to push forward the back four are always going to struggle. Will be interesting to see if LVG can find a place for Carrick and Blind, particularly against the stronger teams that will expose second half showings like yesterday.

Brennan
06-10-2014, 11:44 AM
Blackett was surprisingly composed when he came on I thought. Some nice passes along the ground when in previous games he would have launched them pointlessly.

What a block

steviecoppellonthewing
06-10-2014, 11:45 AM
Lucas Moura

Torres.

Thats it, all of them.

(I still say that Moura would have been an improvement on Young/Nani/Valencia)

steviecoppellonthewing
06-10-2014, 11:48 AM
Given those out haven't exactly staked a strong claim, I hope LVG gives Blackett and, particularly, McNair more chances even when his options widen when others come back from injury. I think the back four more than any other area needs some stability and McNair has shown enough to warrant his chance. Blackett was predominately a full back as far as I understood it, and agree with Jim that he looked comfortable there when he came on.

The defence get some stick, and no doubting we need to strengthen and improve there, but for me the pressure they come under and then start hoofing it up to invite more pressure is when the midfield goes missing. Blind was very promising again in the first half yesterday, but when those further up the pitch offer little protection and invite the opposition to push forward the back four are always going to struggle. Will be interesting to see if LVG can find a place for Carrick and Blind, particularly against the stronger teams that will expose second half showings like yesterday.

Thats very true, the midfield should be protecting the back line, instead they all turn into the invisable man at the 60 or 70 minute mark.

steviecoppellonthewing
06-10-2014, 11:49 AM
As has been said (once or twice), we are still missing that top drawer midfield powerhouse.

Esquilax
06-10-2014, 12:06 PM
when the midfield goes missing. Blind was very promising again in the first half yesterday, but when those further up the pitch offer little protection and invite the opposition to push forward the back four are always going to struggle. Will be interesting to see if LVG can find a place for Carrick and Blind, particularly against the stronger teams that will expose second half showings like yesterday.

I think the problem is the fitness of the midfield. I'm guessing it's a bit of a step up for Blind to get used to the demands of the PL, which explains his tiring. ADM has presumably not had as much of a defensive responsibility before either, so he also is probably struggling with the need to get back to defend also, considering he's playing as a midfielder more than a winger. Tony V also just back from fitness. Bit surprising Fletch wasn't brought on to be honest instead of the mop-haired galoot.

As for Valencia, lots of people saying he did quite well, and that the more limited role suited him. Do we agree?

Howard Moon
06-10-2014, 12:08 PM
Kev is back and says Strootman is 90% done.

Brennan
06-10-2014, 12:08 PM
Torres.

Thats it, all of them.

(I still say that Moura would have been an improvement on Young/Nani/Valencia)

2 isn't bad Stevie. I'm sure we have all said names thst haven't worked out.
I said Kewell when leaving Leeds and Joe Cole when leaving Chelsea!

Brennan
06-10-2014, 12:09 PM
Kev is back and says Strootman is 90% done.

Fuck off Kev

steviecoppellonthewing
06-10-2014, 12:10 PM
Kev is back and says Strootman is 90% done.

In his head perhaps.

According to Roma, we have been politely told to fuckoff.

Esquilax
06-10-2014, 12:11 PM
As has been said (once or twice), we are still missing that top drawer midfield powerhouse.

Instead of Blind?

Howard Moon
06-10-2014, 12:12 PM
Fuck off Kev

Anger issues.

steviecoppellonthewing
06-10-2014, 12:17 PM
Instead of Blind?

Not sure i'd call him a top drawer midfield powerhouse! He's going to have his uses but I reckon we are still missing that extra bit of quality in the middle of the park.

pringlm
06-10-2014, 12:34 PM
1st Half Blind took the ball off the defence and had the freedom of the park to control the pace of the game and set up attacks.

I noticed in the second half Everton marked him tightly and we did not have anyone to give the ball to when the centre halves had it - and that was when the big hoofs came. We needed a second option and Tony V did not really have the confidence to show for the ball in that situation. Would be tailor made for Carrick but cannot see him getting a game instead of Blind or Herrera so interesting to see where he fits in.

Brennan
06-10-2014, 12:36 PM
That was blind faith in the (faint) hope the fucker would come good.

This is now a cool and calm calculated faith safe in the knowledge that this guy knows the score 100 fucking percent!

Was in Amsterdam last weekend. Every bar we went in, every one we spoke to was raving about LVG simply saying he is a winner in every aspect and he will deliver a big trophy if not this season then defo next season.

I said the league?
They said for sure!
I said this season?
They said why not!
They said they watch every Utd game on fox sports and they can see the changes he is making and what he is trying to do and if it doesn't work out it won't be his fault it will be the players fault for not doin as they are told!

And they said no player is too big to be dropped, Robben is bigger than RVP and that Memphis Depay is the next best thing to come out of Holland. Fast young left winger at PSV

willo
06-10-2014, 12:44 PM
As for Valencia, lots of people saying he did quite well, and that the more limited role suited him. Do we agree?

I thought he done okay yesterday, but his one-footedness will always baffle me. You'd have thought to get to that level he'd have had to develop some capability to use his weaker foot. It becomes an issue when his decision making is so dominated by getting the ball on to his right foot and that can disrupt the speed (or even direction) of play compared to the quick feet and thinking that Mata, Falcao and Di Maria have brought to the team. I think he remains a decent squad member (especially as he can cover at full back also) but will be sub more often than not.

steviecoppellonthewing
06-10-2014, 12:47 PM
I thought he done okay yesterday, but his one-footedness will always baffle me. You'd have thought to get to that level he'd have had to develop some capability to use his weaker foot. It becomes an issue when his decision making is so dominated by getting the ball on to his right foot and that can disrupt the speed (or even direction) of play compared to the quick feet and thinking that Mata, Falcao and Di Maria have brought to the team. I think he remains a decent squad member (especially as he can cover at full back also) but will be sub more often than not.

He's been completely rubbish ever since my chat with him about 18 months ago. Fuck knows what I said but previous to the conversation he was turning into a great player for us! Hence why he was given the 7 shirt. Think I'll avoid the players looking ahead :dejection:

Esquilax
06-10-2014, 02:01 PM
I thought he done okay yesterday, but his one-footedness will always baffle me. You'd have thought to get to that level he'd have had to develop some capability to use his weaker foot. It becomes an issue when his decision making is so dominated by getting the ball on to his right foot and that can disrupt the speed (or even direction) of play compared to the quick feet and thinking that Mata, Falcao and Di Maria have brought to the team. I think he remains a decent squad member (especially as he can cover at full back also) but will be sub more often than not.

Just watched MOTD2 there and had forgotten Valencia's completely stupid foul that they equalised from. FFS, completely fucking brain dead!


Also, I saw a bit of the highlights of Spurs v Southampton. The yellow card that Kaboul got for shoulder-charging the saints lad filled me with rage again, thinking of the Rafael incident at Leicester!

Brennan
06-10-2014, 02:06 PM
He's been completely rubbish ever since my chat with him about 18 months ago. Fuck knows what I said but previous to the conversation he was turning into a great player for us! Hence why he was given the 7 shirt. Think I'll avoid the players looking ahead :dejection:

Can't you have a word with Ando and hope it has the opposite affect!

stalky
06-10-2014, 02:06 PM
The equaliser had a lot more to do with leaving Naismith alone in acres of space than the free kick.

Naismith is snide little fucker isn't he? Spends more time cheating than actually trying to play footy. And yet another than can dish it and not take it.

*mowgli*
06-10-2014, 02:09 PM
Also, I saw a bit of the highlights of Spurs v Southampton. The yellow card that Kaboul got for shoulder-charging the saints lad filled me with rage again, thinking of the Rafael incident at Leicester!

Baines did a similar one on RVP yesterday as well - again not even a free-kick. When players are not attempting to win the ball - just to knock another player out of the way using excessive force - it should be a foul.

Howard Moon
06-10-2014, 02:15 PM
Baines did a similar one on RVP yesterday as well - again not even a free-kick. When players are not attempting to win the ball - just to knock another player out of the way using excessive force - it should be a foul.

Shoulder to shoulder has always been allowed. But in the back it should be a foul, obviously.

Esquilax
06-10-2014, 02:18 PM
The equaliser had a lot more to do with leaving Naismith alone in acres of space than the free kick.

He had an unchallenged header, sure, but to some extent wasn't that due to the clever free followed by a superb cross?

*mowgli*
06-10-2014, 02:21 PM
Shoulder to shoulder has always been allowed. But in the back it should be a foul, obviously.

Yes, I'm aware of that. But there is a difference between two players trying to win a ball and using their strength via their shoulders to nudge the other player off balance or out of the way, and running into a player at a 90 degree angle with no intention other than to knock them over.

As far as I'm aware the ball has to be within playing distance (pretty certain it wasn't for the Rafael incident - can't really remember for the Baines one, but he didn't go on to play the ball, just to obstruct RVP and allow it to run out of play). I also think (could be wrong) that the 'excessive force' thing still applies, so a shoulder charge could still be deemed to be careless or reckless and therefore a foul.

I'm still steaming about the one on Ronaldo in the box against Portsmouth in the cup QF a few years ago - cost us a second treble that did!

Esquilax
06-10-2014, 02:50 PM
I'm still steaming about the one on Ronaldo in the box against Portsmouth in the cup QF a few years ago - cost us a second treble that did!


yep, that still boils my piss too - though it wasn't quite as bad as the Rafael one, for me.

Howard Moon
06-10-2014, 02:53 PM
Yes, I'm aware of that. But there is a difference between two players trying to win a ball and using their strength via their shoulders to nudge the other player off balance or out of the way, and running into a player at a 90 degree angle with no intention other than to knock them over.

As far as I'm aware the ball has to be within playing distance (pretty certain it wasn't for the Rafael incident - can't really remember for the Baines one, but he didn't go on to play the ball, just to obstruct RVP and allow it to run out of play). I also think (could be wrong) that the 'excessive force' thing still applies, so a shoulder charge could still be deemed to be careless or reckless and therefore a foul.

I'm still steaming about the one on Ronaldo in the box against Portsmouth in the cup QF a few years ago - cost us a second treble that did!

See what you mean. You have a point.

Brennan
06-10-2014, 04:44 PM
I'm still steaming about the one on Ronaldo in the box against Portsmouth in the cup QF a few years ago - cost us a second treble that did!

Martin fucking Atkinson.

Can't think of any favours from him

*mowgli*
06-10-2014, 04:54 PM
Martin fucking Atkinson.

Can't think of any favours from him

He was an absolute cunt to us for a few seasons. Far too many decisions to be just chance.

coggie
06-10-2014, 05:03 PM
Was in Amsterdam last weekend. Every bar we went in, every one we spoke to was raving about LVG simply saying he is a winner in every aspect and he will deliver a big trophy if not this season then defo next season.

I said the league?
They said for sure!
I said this season?
They said why not!
They said they watch every Utd game on fox sports and they can see the changes he is making and what he is trying to do and if it doesn't work out it won't be his fault it will be the players fault for not doin as they are told!

And they said no player is too big to be dropped, Robben is bigger than RVP and that Memphis Depay is the next best thing to come out of Holland. Fast young left winger at PSV

Since when have the women in the Red Light district known anything about football

coggie
06-10-2014, 05:06 PM
Should've been 4 up by HT, this only being able to play for 60-70mins is annoying. Whilst I don't consider Everton to be shite, the better teams will just toy with United and then stick 2/3 past them.

Need to get Jones in alongside Rojo and then hopefully Carrick/Blind as the 6 for a few games; build up some consistency in what I consider a very key area on the pitch. McNair's done well fwiw but I'm expecting Jones back in when fit.

RVP reminds me of a shit Berbatov atm.

apparently we are the only team in the country who hasn't scored a goal after the 63 minute mark

stalky
06-10-2014, 05:11 PM
He had an unchallenged header, sure, but to some extent wasn't that due to the clever free followed by a superb cross?

Nope. It's down to defenders not doing their jobs properly.

Brennan
06-10-2014, 05:12 PM
He was an absolute cunt to us for a few seasons. Far too many decisions to be just chance.

My thoughts exactly
Chelsea away etc.

Brennan
06-10-2014, 05:21 PM
Since when have the women in the Red Light district known anything about football

Fucking hell when I went window shopping I'm sure they all weren't women. Some frightening sights I tell ya. And they wanted €50!!!

A good looking lad like me, they should be paying me the €50!

coggie
06-10-2014, 05:34 PM
Fucking hell when I went window shopping I'm sure they all weren't women. Some frightening sights I tell ya. And they wanted €50!!!

A good looking lad like me, they should be paying me the €50!

expensive weekend then

mufc-for-life
06-10-2014, 06:32 PM
Paddy Mcnair out for three weeks with a hamstring injury. How does this keep happening?

Esquilax
06-10-2014, 06:39 PM
Paddy Mcnair out for three weeks with a hamstring injury. How does this keep happening?

You have to laugh!

To be fair though, you'd have to think Jones would have been coming back in anyway.

coggie
06-10-2014, 06:57 PM
You have to laugh!

To be fair though, you'd have to think Jones would have been coming back in anyway.

and that's enough to wipe the smile off anyones face.

I don't know whether McNair will ever make it long term at United but when it comes to calmness, positioning and defending he is ahead of Jones already

*mowgli*
06-10-2014, 07:17 PM
I don't know whether McNair will ever make it long term at United but when it comes to calmness, positioning and defending he is ahead of Jones already

Completely agree Coggie - said as much to my brother yesterday as we watched the match.

willo
06-10-2014, 07:28 PM
and that's enough to wipe the smile off anyones face.

I don't know whether McNair will ever make it long term at United but when it comes to calmness, positioning and defending he is ahead of Jones already

My first thoughts exactly, on form to date it was McNair's place to lose rather than a default that he'd make way for Jones, Evans or Smalling. McNair looks a natural CB whereas Jones is often caught having to make those recovering tackles which are impressive when they come off but more often than not end up in a free kick.

greghura
06-10-2014, 07:37 PM
Paddy Mcnair out for three weeks with a hamstring injury. How does this keep happening?
he seemed to have hurt his knee when he slid at the concrete turf late in the game. I thought it would just be a superficial one. Hamstring injury is very disappointing. arrrrgh.

coggie
06-10-2014, 10:11 PM
Completely agree Coggie - said as much to my brother yesterday as we watched the match.


My first thoughts exactly, on form to date it was McNair's place to lose rather than a default that he'd make way for Jones, Evans or Smalling. McNair looks a natural CB whereas Jones is often caught having to make those recovering tackles which are impressive when they come off but more often than not end up in a free kick.


What I liked about McNair yesterday was that he didn't take on Lukaku in a show of strength he positioned himself so that the opponents strength couldn't be used against him....

coggie
06-10-2014, 10:12 PM
My first thoughts exactly, on form to date it was McNair's place to lose rather than a default that he'd make way for Jones, Evans or Smalling. McNair looks a natural CB whereas Jones is often caught having to make those recovering tackles which are impressive when they come off but more often than not end up in a free kick.

and injury

Red News
08-10-2014, 03:37 PM
David De Gea delighted with the Everton win


"It gives you a lot of confidence. It was an important victory for the team and I will always remember it. It was one of the best I've had and most importantly because it ended in victory. There are days when you play a great game but end up not winning. So in that sense, it was a perfect match."